Monday, July 30, 2018

Do Not Trust Ralph Thomas and for the love of God do not buy his book


Ralph Thomas is another prolific Facebook poster who folks should steer well clear of as I will demonstrate.  He does not know the case and instead of doing his homework he likes to make sensationalistic claims.  He also likes to show images from documents as if they do support his claims.  Recently, he has claimed there is a document in which Ray Rocca said Oswald went to Mexico City as part of intelligence operation and that that required a cover story.  The claim isn't true.

He claimed you'd find this in RIF # 104-10268-10001.  I did not see any such thing.

Here's our discussion:

‪Ralph Thomas‪ HERE IS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED RELATED INFORMATION ON THIS FROM ANOTHER DOC - 112) OSWALD was in Mexico City As Part Of An Intelligence Operation That Required A Cover Story
‪In a 154 page document release in 2017, CIA agent Raymond Rocca had discussed the fact that OSWALD was in Mexico City and indicated that OSWALD was on an intelligence mission that required a cover story. In this document, there is a great deal of information on OWALD’S other actives while in Mexico City. You can obtain a PDF file of this document online by clicking here or at the below link. 


‪This document was brought to light by Larry Rivera and exposed at the 2017 JFK Historical Group (http://changehistjfk.blogspot.com) 2017 DC Conference known as The Big Event hosted by David Denton (http://jfkconferencedc.com)

‪Raymond Rocca had been an aide to Counterintelligence chief James Angleton. Rocca also told the House Select Committee On Assassinations under oath that the Counterintelligence staff had OSWALD monitored from October 1959 to November 1963. You can read the testimony on this online by clicking here or use the following direct link below.


‪You can also read a brief bio on who Raymond Rocca was at the Spartacus Educational web site by clicking here or going to the below direct link. 


‪The exposure made by ROCCA that OSWALD was in Mexico City and indicated that he had been on an intelligence mission that required a cover story has profound implications concerning exactly what OSWALD was doing and the exact nature of the trip. When you read the overall information in this file and other files related to it, the overall picture indicates that someone had been impersonating OSWALD and some sort of deep intelligence operation had been going on. When one looks at the total activities of OSWALD before the assassination, the weight of the evidence indicates that OSWALD was involved in some sort of undercover operation for the US government and had been posing as a Pro-Castro sympathizer. It is obvious that OSWALD or someone posing as OSWALD had been attempting to obtain a VISA to enter Cuba in Mexico City. Not only had some sort of deep cover intelligence operation been going on, there may have actually been an underlining secondary operation going on that had been buried under the first operation. When you peel back the first layer, you run right into a secondary operation that could have been deliberately planted deception. There is some murky evidence that would tend to indicate OSWALD might have been attempting to get into Cuba to assassinate FIDEL CASTRO. There is the evidence in the files that indicate that OSWALD had a meeting with a KGB officer who was in charge of assassinations at the Russian embassy. There is some overall evidence that this actually was either not a fact or that the person who had this meeting was impersonating OSWALD. There is some evidence that would tend to indicate OSWALD may had been used unwittingly and had been set up during this operation to make it appear he was a Pro-Castro sympathizer and communist in order to be later used as a patsy in the assassination of JFK that would point to Cuba and/or the Soviets in order to start a war. It is now obvious that all of this had been covered up.
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‪Ralph, something is wrong here. The link you provide to 104-10268-10001 which is a .pdf file from one of the NARA releases for this document does not contain the claim - OSWALD was in Mexico City As Part Of An Intelligence Operation That Required A Cover Story.  


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‪Ralph Thomas‪ As indicated in the post, that had been a PREVIOUSLY REPORTED DOCUMENT which is as follows and I REPEAT- 112) OSWALD was in Mexico City As Part Of An Intelligence Operation That Required A Cover Story
‪In a 154 page document release in 2017, CIA agent Raymond Rocca had discussed the fact that OSWALD was in Mexico City and indicated that OSWALD was on an intelligence mission that required a cover story. In this document, there is a great deal of information on OWALD’S other actives while in Mexico City. You can obtain a PDF file of this document online by clicking here or at the below link. 


‪This document was brought to light by Larry Rivera and exposed at the 2017 JFK Historical Group (http://changehistjfk.blogspot.com) 2017 DC Conference known as The Big Event hosted by David Denton (http://jfkconferencedc.com)

‪Raymond Rocca had been an aide to Counterintelligence chief James Angleton. Rocca also told the House Select Committee On Assassinations under oath that the Counterintelligence staff had OSWALD monitored from October 1959 to November 1963. You can read the testimony on this online by clicking here or use the following direct link below.


‪You can also read a brief bio on who Raymond Rocca was at the Spartacus Educational web site by clicking here or going to the below direct link. 


‪The exposure made by ROCCA that OSWALD was in Mexico City and indicated that he had been on an intelligence mission that required a cover story has profound implications concerning exactly what OSWALD was doing and the exact nature of the trip. When you read the overall information in this file and other files related to it, the overall picture indicates that someone had been impersonating OSWALD and some sort of deep intelligence operation had been going on. When one looks at the total activities of OSWALD before the assassination, the weight of the evidence indicates that OSWALD was involved in some sort of undercover operation for the US government and had been posing as a Pro-Castro sympathizer. It is obvious that OSWALD or someone posing as OSWALD had been attempting to obtain a VISA to enter Cuba in Mexico City. Not only had some sort of deep cover intelligence operation been going on, there may have actually been an underlining secondary operation going on that had been buried under the first operation. When you peel back the first layer, you run right into a secondary operation that could have been deliberately planted deception. There is some murky evidence that would tend to indicate OSWALD might have been attempting to get into Cuba to assassinate FIDEL CASTRO. There is the evidence in the files that indicate that OSWALD had a meeting with a KGB officer who was in charge of assassinations at the Russian embassy. There is some overall evidence that this actually was either not a fact or that the person who had this meeting was impersonating OSWALD. There is some evidence that would tend to indicate OSWALD may had been used unwittingly and had been set up during this operation to make it appear he was a Pro-Castro sympathizer and communist in order to be later used as a patsy in the assassination of JFK that would point to Cuba and/or the Soviets in order to start a war. It is now obvious that all of this had been covered up.
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‪Joseph Backes‪ Unfortunately, what you're claiming is not true.
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‪Joseph Backes‪ Show me the page in 104-10268-10001 where Ray Rocca says that Oswald was in Mexico City on an intelligence operation and that that required a cover story.

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Ralph Thomas, like Ralph Cinque, takes the work of other people and runs with it.  Where did Ralph Thomas get this idea that Ray Rocca said Oswald went to Mexico City as part of an intelligence operation and that that required a cover story?

He got it from Larry Rivera.  Well, there's your problem right there.  Rivera supposedly made this claim at the 2017 JFK Historical Group conference hosted by David Denton.  And Thomas claims this can be found in 104-10268-10001.   

Ralph Thomas's book is a Kindle formatted file.  It's 3,231 pages long!! 

Apparently, it's constantly "updated" with his multiple daily Facebook posts.  



104-10268-10001 was released on 24 July 2017 with DOCID 32373005. 

And again in the 3 Nov 2017 release.

The 24 July 2017 version, available from NARA at - https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32373005.pdf

Or at the Mary Ferrell Foundation site at https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=147160

The 3 Nov release from NARA:


And at Mary Ferrell:









Tuesday, June 12, 2018

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Monday, June 11, 2018

Why do stupid people double down on their stupidity?


Not giving up on his idea that he thinks he's found a document that says Jack Ruby was once also known as Lee Harvey Oswald, which is not what the document says at all, "Dusty" wants me to prove he's wrong.


It's still a simple matter of English grammar.  He has no reading comprehension skills, which is just what we want on Facebook, a guy like this acting like this, like he's some kind of expert.  Oi.

“Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Dallas, Texas, 11/22/63;” that’s all one idea, from the beginning word “assassination” to the date.

Next idea, is “AFO,” 

then the next idea is “Jack Leon Ruby also known as,”

then the next idea is “Lee Harvey Oswald dash victim”

then the last idea is “Civil rights.”

THIS DOCUMENT DOES NOT SAY THAT JACK RUBY USED THE NAME LEE HARVEY OSWALD.

IT’S SIMPLE GRAMMAR. IT’S NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND THIS, “DUSTY.”

YOU’RE AN IDIOT.  

Saturday, June 9, 2018

How NOT to read documents


Lately, with the large document dumps NARA has put out of JFK assassination records, some people have been posting JFK documents highlighting certain things that aren't worthy of being highlighted or don't mean what the person posting the image thinks it means because they want to be the first to discover something.  For example,  someone on Facebook posted this:



You'll note his English skills aren't the best.  He meant to say "throw," as in the verb.  He has highlighted text as though there isn't a semi-colon in there.  He read it as if it was written as "Jack Leon Ruby, also known as, Lee Harvey Oswald." That's not how it was written.  

Hoping he's not really this stupid I wrote:


Unfortunately, he is that stupid.


I replied:



Saturday, June 2, 2018

What is CAPA doing?

In an article disputing an obit about Davey Johnson Roundtree written by The Washington Post, CAPA, the Coalition of People against Political Assassinations wants to point out that even here The Washington Posts continues to malign JFK. But, CAPA being the rebranded remains of COPA ( the Coalition on Political Assassinations ) gets a few things wrong.  I'll just highlight one for now.

It is written by Andrew Kreig.  Kreig mentions how Roundtree was the lawyer who won a 1965 jury acquittal for Raymond Crump Jr., accused of murdering Mary Pinchot Myer.  Myer is alleged to have been one of JFK's mistresses.

What Kreig gets wrong is what many, many people get wrong and that is the use of this cropped photo ( see below ) which appears next to this text, "Mary Meyer is shown at the White House with the president during one of her visits with [Ben] Bradlee and his wife Antoinette Pinchot Myer."


Wrong.  This cropped photo was not taken at the White House.  It was taken in Pennsylvania at the Myer's family's summer estate, Grey Towers.  The full photo shows Mary Meyer's mother, Ruth, and her sister Antoinette (known as Tony), who married Ben Bradlee, and her brother, Dr. Gifford Pinchot who were donating the family's summer house, Grey Towers, to the U.S. Forrest Service.

It was not taken at the White House, nor is it proof of JFK and Myer having a relationship and "doin' it," as it is often presented.

This photo was taken at the start of JFK's Western conservation tour in the Fall of 1963.  This largely overlooked tour took place Sept 24th to 28th, 1963 started at the Myer estate, known as  Grey Towers in Milford, Pennsylvania where this photo was taken on Sept. 24, 1963.  On the surface the trip was about the conservation of the country's resources, in reality it was a step in laying the groundwork for JFK's 1964 re-election campaign.    




Dr. Gifford Bryce Pinchot addresses the crowd at the Pinchot Institute dedication ceremony.  
JFK is seated to his right behind him. 















Tuesday, May 29, 2018

Lisa Pease responds to LA Times article



LA Times article: Robert Kennedy Jr. joins chorus of second-gunman theorists over his father's assassination


by Any Do 

Just ahead of the 50th anniversary of the assassination of Sen. Robert F. Kennedy in Los Angeles, conspiracy theories still abound.  

The latest to add his voice to the chorus of those who believe there was a second gunman is the victim's son - Robert F. Kennedy jr.  

Sirhan B. Sirhan, a 24 year old  Palestinian immigrant was arrested and later convicted of the shooting at the Ambassador Hotel shortly after midnight on June 5th, 1968.  Kennedy, a presidential candidate at the time, was mortally wounded after celebrating his victory in California's Democratic primary.  

Although Sirhan was captured at the scene with a .22 caliber handgun in his hand and later admitted that he shot Kennedy, new evidence has emerged over the years that suggests there may have been as many as 13 shots fired that night.  Sirhan's gun held only eight bullets. There has also been disagreement among experts over the years about whether some of the recovered bullets were fired from the same gun.  

In a recent interview with the Washington Post, Kennedy's son says that he has conducted his own detailed research into the assassination and now believes there was a second gunman. He is calling for a new investigation.  He also revealed for the first time that he visited Sirhan last December at the Richard J. Donovan Correctional facility near San Diego.  

"I got to a place where I had to see Sirhan," Kennedy told the Post.  I went there because I was curious and disturbed by what I had seen in the evidence." 

Kennedy who was 14 when his father died, did not disclose what he and Sirhan talked about.  But after their three hour conversation, he concluded that there was a second gunman at the hotel the night of the shooting.  

"I was disturbed that the wrong person might have been convicted of killing my father," Kennedy told the paper.  "My father was the chief law enforcement officer in this country.  I think it would have disturbed him if somebody was put in jail for a crime they didn't commit." 

After delivering a victory speech at the Ambassador, Kennedy and his entourage were on their way to a news conference elsewhere at the hotel, taking a shortcut vis the kitchen pantry when the candidate stopped to shake hands with some of the staff.

Suddenly, gunfire erupted, with bullets hitting Kennedy in the back, through his armpit and another into his brain.  

Five other people were injured, including Paul Schrade, a regional director of the United Auto Workers union and a key Kennedy supporter.  He survived the shooting and also told the Post that he believed that a second gunman actually killed Kennedy.  

An autopsy report found Sirhan had been standing in front of Kennedy when he was shot and so conspiracy theorists have argued over the years that this would have made it impossible for a shot to have hit Kennedy in the back. But others have argued that Kennedy turned around after the first shot to try to protect himself.  

Sirhan, now 74 was initially convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to death for the crime. But, his sentence was later commuted to life.  His requests for parole have repeatedly been denied.  

Schrade, now living in Laurel Canyon, told the Post that he was the one who convinced Robert Kennedy Jr. to reexamine the evidence regarding a second gunman.  

"Once Schrade showed me the autopsy report," Kennedy told the paper "then I didn't feel like it was something I could just dismiss. Which is what I wanted to do." 

Russell Iungerich, an attorney from Rancho Palos Verde, worked as a deputy attorney general for the state of California when officials reopened the Kennedy case from 1975 to 1976.  He said Robert Kennedy's words did not have any merit.  

"His comments are just way off base," Iungerich said.  "When you add up all the evidence produced at the hearings, there's no way you can configure the evidence to say that there was a second gunman.       RFK jr. may believe this because he talked to Sirhan," he added, noting that Sirhan had worked as a groom at Hollywood Park and he was kicked in the head by a horse which created some brain damage" and he had some delusional thinking about RFK."   

  

Monday, May 28, 2018

And yes Gerald Posner is back, and yes he's attacking RFK jr


Posner pops up to attack RFK jr. for calling for a new investigation of his father's assassination.


RFK jr. wants a new investigation into the assassination of his father



Robert Kennedy Jr. had a three-hour prison meeting in California with his father’s convicted killer and left convinced a new investigation into the murder is needed, he told The Washington Post.

Kennedy, who did not reveal the details of his jailhouse talk with Sirhan Sirhan, believes there was a second gunman when Robert Kennedy was fatally shot at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles after winning the Democratic presidential primary in California on June 5, 1968.

“There were too many bullets,” RFK Jr. told the Post in an interview published Saturday. “You can’t fire 13 shots out of an eight-shot gun.”

Kennedy was also shot from behind, according to the autopsy report, even though Sirhan was in front of him, according to witnesses.

The 74-year-old Sirhan, serving a life term, admitted shooting Kennedy but also said at the time he had no recollection of doing so. The younger Kennedy, 64, called Sirhan’s trial more of a “penalty hearing” than a real trial. 

“I think it’s unfortunate that the case never went to a full trial because that would have compelled the press and prosecutors to focus on the glaring discrepancies in the narrative that Sirhan fired the shots that killed my father,” he told the Post.

“I was disturbed that the wrong person might have been convicted of killing my father,” said Kennedy, who met with Sirhan late last year. “My father was the chief law enforcement officer in this country. I think it would have disturbed him if somebody was put in jail for a crime they didn’t commit.”

One of the other five victims who survived the shooting that evening, Paul Schrade, who suffered a bullet wound to the head, has long called for a new investigation. He’s convinced that Sirhan shot him and the other four victims, but that a second gunman killed Kennedy.

“As painful as it was for me to pursue, I knew that Americans deserved to know the truth about what really happened to Robert Kennedy, whose death — like the death of President [John] Kennedy — changed the course of American history forever,” Shrade, a former regional official of the United Auto Workers, wrote in Huffpost in 2013.

The case is officially closed. RFK Jr. said he doesn’t know if he’ll be able to change that.

Saturday, May 26, 2018